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    Quote Originally Posted by Dire Hoef View Post
    Primaris Spacemarines.. Wat?
    Arms race.
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    Space marine space marines.

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    *Resurrects thread*

    So guys, some of you may remember the rather epic script fic PRIMARCHS written a few years ago by Lastie. It now lives on Fanfiction.net because the original thread was lost. Unfortunately, a quantity of Lastie-sanctioned reviews and fan-fanfiction were also lost with it...until now.

    I have been able to secure the original work by me and others (reproduced with permission), and if anyone is interested I can begin posting them here?

    (The supplementary material also makes the appearance of a certain character in the third arc make a lot more sense...)
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    Resurrection is necromancy.
    Necromancy is magic.
    Magic is heresy!

    Sounds like an interesting read.
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    Alrighty. There is one catch: you have to read the first hundred and fifty chapters before any of this becomes relevant (mwahahahaha).

    Don't worry, it's not as bad as it sounds - each chapter's only about a page and it's very easy reading.

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    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 157

    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 158

    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 159

    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 160

    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 161

    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


    Spoiler: BladeWolf’s fan-fanfiction 


    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    Spoiler: BladeWolf’s fan-fanfiction 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 162

    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 163 AND CHAPTER 164

    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 165

    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 166

    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 167

    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 168

    Spoiler: BladeWolf’s fan-fanfiction 


    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    Spoiler: Lastie’s reply 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 169

    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 

    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    Spoiler: BladeWolf’s fan-fanfiction 


    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 170 AND CHAPTER 171

    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


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    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 

    Spoiler: BladeWolf’s fan-fanfiction 


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    Spoiler: Lastie’s response 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 172

    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    Spoiler: Lastie’s response 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 173, CHAPTER 174 AND CHAPTER 175

    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


    Spoiler: BladeWolf’s fan-fanfiction 


    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    Spoiler: Lord Aulianas Darakathos’ fan-fanfiction 


    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


    There's lots more, but I need to reformat it, which I will do ASAP!
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    Next section.

    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 176

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    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 177

    Spoiler: Lord Auliana Darakathos’ fan-fanfiction 


    Spoiler: BladeWolf’s fan-fanfiction 


    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 

    Spoiler: =BladeWolf’s fan-fanfiction 

    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 178

    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    Spoiler: BladeWolf’s fan-fanfiction 

    Spoiler: Lord Aulianas Darakathos’ fan-fanfiction 

    Spoiler: BladeWolf’s fan-fanfiction 


    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


    Spoiler: BladeWolf’s fan-fanfiction 

    Spoiler: Lord Aulianas Darakathos’ fan-fanfiction 

    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 

    Spoiler: Lord Aulinias Darakathos’ fan-fanfiction 


    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 179

    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 

    Spoiler: BladeWolf’s fan-fanfiction 


    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 180

    Spoiler: FarseerMatt’s Eldar MST 


    Spoiler: BladeWolf’s fan-fanfiction 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 181

    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 182 AND CHAPTER 183

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    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 184

    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 185

    Spoiler: Chief L Romes’ favoured moments 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 186

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    Spoiler: Lastie side chapter 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 187 AND CHAPTER 188

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    Spoiler: Lastie’s response 


    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 189

    Spoiler: BladeWolf’s fan-fanfiction 


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    Spoiler: Chief L Rome’s favoured moments 


    Spoiler: Captain Malachi’s inquisition MST 


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    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 190

    Spoiler: BladeWolf's fan-fanfiction 


    Spoiler: Captain Malachi's inquisition MST 


    Spoiler: FarseerMatt's Eldar MST 


    Spoiler: BladeWolf's fan-fanfiction 
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    And the last bits.

    FAN CONTENT FOR CHAPTER 191

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    Did anyone else read the Crusade's End omnibus?
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    I’ve actually hardly read any of the HH series (though The First Heretic and Mechanicum were decent).

    So is the omnibus any good?
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    I would say that it is pretty decent all around. It has three novels and three short stores in mostly chronological order. Overall, I would say that it is a good collection of Warhammer 40K reading and a collection of passable novels. In retrospect, the first short story, The Wolf of Ash and Fire demonstrates the mentality of the majority of the material, with all its strengths and flaws. It sets out to lend characterization to Horus and accomplishes that. By the time readers finish Horus Rising, they will have had ample opportunity to sink their teeth into 40K irony where the Space Marines keep insisting that Astartes will never have to fight each other, but without it becoming too cloyingly sweet. The backhand of the series is that such inside jokes made for people familiar with the story mix with the slightly-forced/slightly-defensively-justified major events to make important plot points in the overall canon like Horus' eventual betrayal appear less like the crescendo that fans of Warhammer 40K anticipate the entire time they are reading and more of a poor plot twist. And even for fans, though mercifully briefly, the story can feel like it slacks between when readers know Horus chooses to betray the Emperor and when he actually confirms it.

    There are other, more minor issues. The core of the novels revolves around Captain Loken of the (???) Company of the Luna Wolves/Sons of Horus. Honestly, one can be forgiven for forgetting his company number since they don't feature that much, something that may be shocking to fans who are used to SM characters being synonymous with their companies. A decent Lawful Good character helped in no small part by Dan Abnett's stellar characterization, the only thing that really nags is how he is introduced. The Wolf of Ash and Fire and Death of a Silversmith (Death of a Salesman, anyone?) don't mention him, though they mention the Mornival, a group of four Astartes who advise Horus. In short order one dies after playing a noteworthy role in the aforementioned short stories and is replaced by Loken around the one-fifth/one-sixth mark of Horus Rising. Though he grows into the role well, the feeling that he was shoehorned in is noticeable when one looks back.

    Shoehorning in significant plot elements is something that the omnibus readings suffer from, with Horus' actual betrayal being the most offensive of them. Others include a remembrancer (to say nothing of the Remembrancer Order as a whole, which was apparently introduced to chronicle the Great Crusade when it was almost over) who makes a splash when they arrive and then sinks rather rapidly before going out with a whimper, and the beginning of the Imperial Cult. For the latter I would say that the introduction of what I believe is the first Imperial saint is well done, all the more so impressive for being spread across two novels by two separate authors. The problem is that the latter half of the saint's adventures and the Imperial Cult as a whole is presented rather weakly, being both less tense then it tries to be and rather anti-climatic. It is ironic yet not surprising that the most significant event of the religion side of the novels is well done while the stuff around it is decidedly less stirring. This irony is further deepened by the fact that every other plot point seems to be presented in reverse. For a series made to highlight the importance of these events it is nigh-unforgivable that said events feel like they were only put there because they were the whole point of the omnibus; that someone slid them into an otherwise competent group of stories because they glanced at a to-do list late during production and remembered that these plot points were supposed to be in there, so they crammed them in and put a bit of caulking around them to make them stick better. When I said before that the novels identify their goal and accomplish it, I didn't mean that they built stories around the major events they included, but rather that they intended and succeeded in creating stories in the time period and having the major events present because they needed to be.

    I can get further into the things that bother me about Crusade's End, but I don't want to any further obscure what is good about this omnibus. Barring some shifts in attitude between authors, the characters are fantastic. The actions of some, like Loken, might seem predictable, but that is less because they are tropes and more because their characters are well fleshed out; readers can predict what they will do because there is a logic to their actions. When characters group together to cooperate it feels right because they are independently coming to a group consensus rather than solely following one person's lead. Of course the biggest is Loken, but readers can also see this from the primarchs that appear, especially Horus. While readers might disagree on his change of heart it becomes clear why others chose to follow him into rebellion, it was more than just his reasoning, it was because he was charismatic and cunning, not only in how others described him but in how he actually acts. Angron similarly gets characterized and given motive and a unique point of view in King of the Red Sands.

    Beyond characterization, I would be remiss not to mention the worldbuilding that is done. Although the title of the series suggests that it is all about the beginning of the Heresy, the novels take their time getting there and that is no bad thing. Besides the deliciousness of the aforementioned way that the Astartes refuted ideas that they would ever fight each other, the omnibus does a good job of characterizing the Great Crusade as a whole. The importance of the Imperial Truth and its struggle against pagan worship and the nature of the civilizations that the Imperium encounters play important roles. This is part of what makes Crusade's End compelling beyond just satisfying fans' curiosity about what the Imperium was like before the Heresy; it makes it actually sad that the Crusade ended, that the dream the Emperor had died when Horus turned traitor. Readers can actually get a feel, mainly through Loken's eyes, of how much was lost when the Crusade went down in flames and pagan superstition took over.

    Overall, I would say that it is definitely worth a read. Just don't expect much out of the major event.
    As a Warhammer 40K omnibus: 8/10
    As a Warhammer 40K omnibus emphasizing major events: 4/10
    As a regular novel series: 6/10
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