Chapter 2 OOC Discussion

[E1Alpha]

And Chapter 2 is ready to rumble.
All the threads have been put up.
Same rules apply as last time:
Read the opening posts well and respect both the posting order and the time limits.
Time extensions can be granted once per turn on the condition that you alert the GM of your battle(s).

Links for the various battles:
[BF] Talos - Firanos VS Scaravus (http://role-player.net/forum/showthread.php?t=35006)
[BF] Lake Ilnero - Firanos VS Leongarde (http://role-player.net/forum/showthread.php?t=35007)
[BF] Meron Pinnacle - Archeos VS Disgeran (http://role-player.net/forum/showthread.php?t=35008)
[BF] Paladin Grove - Archeos VS Aeregos (http://role-player.net/forum/showthread.php?t=35009)
[BF] The Lion Woods - Leongarde VS Disgeran (http://role-player.net/forum/showthread.php?t=35010)
[INF] Highperk Shores - Archeos > Aeregos (http://role-player.net/forum/showthread.php?t=35011)
[INF] Firanos - Scaravus > Firanos (http://role-player.net/forum/showthread.php?t=35012)

Remember to stay on topic in this thread.
Everything that holds no relevance to Chapter 2 is to be taken to Jacogos' Non-Sense thread.

Game on!

[Cfavano]

The bits that look like tall grass on my inf, are those tall enough to conceal a person? and is the girl with the crossbow the only one with a ranged weapon? as well, what other equipment can we have?

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like, can we have flash and smoke bombs and things like that?

[E1Alpha]

Your character can carry whatever he can spare. Preferably you stay as true to your character profile as possible in regards to equipment. The NPCs however will only carry their weaponry and armor, unless I specifically mentioned something.
The bits that look like tall grass are tall enough to hide a person that's not fully clad in armor.
And the crossbow girl is the only ranged NPC you have.

Also, remember Cf. You are in control of the NPCs aswell.
You are given limited information in regards to them as part of the challenge of INFs.
It is up to you how and where you use them.

[P.K.]

sweet must look at my battle! :D

and I just realized its just me against J and two others XD craaaaap!

[Cfavano]

and no auto-hitting anyone XD

[E1Alpha]

Indeed.
If you thought judgings in BFs were a bitch, then hold on to your bananashakes, because I am merciless when it comes to INFs. Leave an opening in your defenses, and I WILL see it.
You can always ask Jacogos how I am to play against as GM/Judge.

[Cfavano]

you might have stacked the deck against me a bit much though XD

[Cfavano]

not only are there more, they also are heavily armored, and have both melee and magic. I'm not really complaining, mind you. Just stating an observation.

[P.K.]

Thats not fair XD I go last. And all the other guys are on the other team!

[E1Alpha]

Jacogos had to face off an array of elite paladins that don't even know the meaning of fear. He lost two of his own men, but he actually killed every single paladin.
That's called playing your hand right.
Just put your head in those posts. Take your time for them, and keep in mind what you wish to achieve.
I might be a harsh judge, but I keep reactions of my NPCs true to their knowledge and capabilities.

And sorry P.K. xD
I always use dice rolls to determine posting orders.

[P.K.]

Thats still not fair XD I'm going to die and not even be able to say so myself!

[Cfavano]

so, a silent headshot from concealment won't give away a sniper's position?

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Can my chara hand them stuff to use?

[Cfavano]

and has the telescopic sight been invented yet? or still iron/wooden sights?

[Tolvo]

Oh hey, the actual OOC thread. Should probably be using this for all my Chapter 2 needs.

And there's a real simple solution to this problem Cf, just take a page out of Les' book. Kill that apprentice.

[P.K.]

ya like where are the Aeregos archers in my battle? the cliffs? :P

[E1Alpha]

No idea why I wasn't shown to have new posts in this thread until Tolvo posted.

In any case, Cfavano:

-there's only one way to find out if it does
-yes, you can
-actual telescopic sight has not been invented yet without the use of Divination magic

And I don't recall the Aeregosian archers having revealed their location yet.

[Tolvo]

PK the archers are....Aiming.

[P.K.]

just wanted to make sure!

[E1Alpha]

Well, seems I'll be having a lot of posting to do
But that will have to wait for approximately 10 hours.
Once I return from school, I'll go on a mass posting spree.

[Tolvo]

Oooh, that should be soon. I should probably do that post then.

[P.K.]

Oo I'm not up yet I think but I'll probably not be here at all saterday >.>"

[Tolvo]

Hmm, I'll try to post faster then so you don't get left waiting. That way you won't get stuck not posting on Saturday.

[P.K.]

meh don't rush to much dear I'm getting off in a moment and I'll be back in a few hours.

[Tolvo]

Well I already posted. :P

[Cfavano]

no one commented on my posts T_T

[Tolvo]

Well I'm waiting to see what E1 says first.

[E1Alpha]

I don't comment on posts very fast unless if I have a good reason :P
So don't wait for my opinions.
But I did reply to all battles now, although a bit later than originally planned.

[Tolvo]

Well time to deal with this swordsman trying to cleave armor. Which includes Les taking a hit from behind since he doesn't know the enemy is there.

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Scratch that, have to wait for Edd first. I'll get to Oko then.

[P.K.]

Whaaaa XD Shani has some one after her already!?! oh this should be fun :P
I'll work on a reply for now. I wont be here Friday night and I wont be here Saturday at all unless I end up getting on really early and probably not long enough to do anything I have three activity's planned that day >.<" so that in case it comes to being my turn and I'm not here yall know.

[Tolvo]

Well I posted so Shani's turn is up. :P

[P.K.]

not yet :P I have to wait for disco I'm last remember?! :C

[Tolvo]

Oh yeah that's right! Hopefully he'll be on again today. Hopefully he'll also look up.

[P.K.]

XD yay! lol

[Tolvo]

That Barracuda barf could end up saving us all.

[P.K.]

XD on your side maybe that could end up a bad thing for Shani maybe.

[Tolvo]

One of these days I'll have to try and get some sort of INF mission going.

[P.K.]

:P yes wont we all XD

[Tolvo]

Well Oko's powers are better suited for peaceful actions or things done in the shadows as opposed to open combat.

[P.K.]

:P Gosh Shani and him might not get to far into a battle either other then possibly putting shani to sleep :P

[Tolvo]

I don't think you would want that, a sleeping enemy is one that is easily slain.

[P.K.]

thats true.

[Eddren]

There ye go, Tolvo. Have a post! :D

[Cfavano]

easily slain, or easily laid XD

[P.K.]

don't even think about it >:o

[Cfavano]

Mildred would. Even though he technically cannot feel pleasure like that, if raping someone would break their spirit, he' happily do it. If he gets a chance, he'd rape Nayamee. and he would Certainly rape, torture, and corrupt shani if he had the chance.

[Tolvo]

The same to you pal.

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Yikes, this whole lacking of a "Someone posted while you were typing this, would you like to view their post and modify your own?" option really made this sound terrible. This was in response to Edd's earlier remark.

[Tolvo]

So how about we get off the topic of raping player characters.

So who wants to bet that Zhao's apprentice will die during the infiltration mission?

[P.K.]

naw I don't think she will.

BTW CF I'll have shani die before you could ever do that so there would be no brake one's spirit here.
sorry can't leave that unsaid in this case but yes lets please change the subject.

So I don't think she will die yet O-o not so close to the beginning.

[Tolvo]

Used just as bait, defended by some crazy guy that punches things to death, possibly in the way of explosives, executable once her use is up which is up. Kind of sounds like dead weight, plus who doesn't love some tragedy in a story?

[P.K.]

lol XD good point didn't think of it that way.

[Tolvo]

The bigger picture is nice, but sometimes the little things are important.:nod:

[Cfavano]

it's funny as hell XD

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what you said before you posted.

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I don't think he'd do that, especially if I do the inf right. Because if he did that, it would count as an auto-lose. As that is the only reason this INF is.

[Tolvo]

You're the one who put the bombs there, not him.

[SillyGodDisco]

Woah, what is with the rape up in here??

On a side note.

E1!!!!! Make the right decision about Papa!He has so much he wishes to accomplish before his life ends!

[P.K.]

XD
-clicks rep button to no avail-
why no rep?! why no rep?! >:o

[Tolvo]

Those clip clops won't see him coming. Literally they'll just be in a stable sleeping as he sneaks in with a pike. Man some day he is going to make a farming family very disturbed one day.

[P.K.]

no rep no rep! D:

[Cfavano]

doesn't matter. If he does that, then the infiltration was completely meaningless. All of my effort would mean nothing. And no GM would do that. Save the person only to have them die in a stupid way? if a DM or GM did that to me, I would bash them over the head with the nearest blunt object and walk out.

[Tolvo]

I'd do that, you put bombs there. In my book that means you are open to having it bite you in the butt. Doesn't mean E1 would or that I'm saying he should. But I certainly would, then again I like to see my players suffer a bit. It wouldn't be pointless either.

[P.K.]

Xd wow okay.

and Posted! E its your turn! -bounces around E like a hyper puppy-


First Karrha up against the steel will now Shani against this new guy XD

[SillyGodDisco]

XD
-clicks rep button to no avail-
why no rep?! why no rep?! >:o

it's okay.. Papa Koi knows of your praise!!!

[Cfavano]

it means that my effort was meaningless and all the effort I put into it was wrong. Let me get this straight. you want 4 people to be able to take on 11 in pitched battle? The element of surprise would not carry them along very far. so, mines and other traps are common in ambushes. I bet if it were up to you, no matter what I did, she would still die and I'd fail. because unless she lives, this Inf fails, pure and simple. And if you had made me fail, even though the judges say I win, I would quit the rp right then and there.

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I am not accusing E1 of anything

[Tolvo]

You know I believe there should be a failure state, otherwise what purpose does the action have if it would have succeeded no matter what? When doing something there is always a chance of failure, and no I wouldn't just kill her. There would be a chance she would die, a chance she would live. It would depend on the actions of the player.

But this is E1's RP, so what I would and wouldn't do doesn't really matter.

[Cfavano]

what I mean is, if I succeed, she lives, if I don't, she either gets taken away or dies. I would be mad if I defeated all the guards, and she still dies, is what I meant.

[Tolvo]

Well if a bomb goes off at a wrong time, a bomb goes off at a wrong time. Plus if he's doing any rolling, that could come into play in accords with chance.

[Cfavano]

if the cart even gets to that point. who says it won't be disabled? remember, the only reason those two died is because they went too far ahead. and E1 kinda made the more powerful than I intended them to be XD they still would have killed those men, but probably would have only blown their legs off

[Tolvo]

You could always just take the Lestoph route and just kill her yourself, deny it from them.

[Cfavano]

He's not like that. He owes it to her to try and save her.

[Tolvo]

He could save her through death.

[Cfavano]

that's not saving. that is murder. it won't come to that.

[SillyGodDisco]

I feel like this situation needs lightsabers and jedis.

for passion is the way to the darkside young Zhao.

[Tolvo]

Do it, fulfill your destiny.

[SillyGodDisco]

Do it, fulfill your destiny.

MOAR POWAH!

2387

[Cfavano]

Speaking of Jedi, would Kol have killed Cade to 'save' him?

[Tolvo]

It's not a Jedi thing, but a person who looks at the bigger picture might do it.

[SillyGodDisco]

It's not a Jedi thing, but a person who looks at the bigger picture might do it.

When in doubt. Summon Bigger Fish!

[Cfavano]

I thought Jedi did look at the bigger picture.

[Tolvo]

The biggest fish wins in the end.

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The jedi don't see a picture, they see the force.

[Cfavano]

isn't it the force which paints the picture?

[Tolvo]

The jedi are but brush strokes, they create the picture yet not all see it.

[The Imposter]

Sweet heavenly hosts you lot make keeping track of threads hard.

E1 do we know who are the judges for this chapter? Because unless I become an English lit pro overnight Jac is going to write blessed circles of epic text around me in the Lion Woods. Am I write(bahaha get it?) in saying that just because you manage to beat opposing forces you may not win the round?

[Cfavano]

Infiltrations are different. if I cannot save her, than the inf was a pointless waste of his time, and Archeosian lives as killing those soldiers will have no impact on Aeregos at all

[Tolvo]

Then hopefully you don't make mistakes and fail.

Also we should probably keep the Jedi talk to the nonsense thread.

[P.K.]

Sweet heavenly hosts you lot make keeping track of threads hard.

must agree :P

[Tolvo]

We are quite the talkers.

[SillyGodDisco]

I'm an observer, mainly. But then, BAM sucker punched with conversation!!

[Tolvo]

I'm pretty sure I'm the observer here.

[Eddren]

I wan' roleplay! >:l

[Tolvo]

Well too bad, you'll have to wait.

[E1Alpha]

@The Imposter
The judges have all been announcement in the Chapter 2 recruitment thread.
The thing is: I resort to the judges when there is no clear winner or if the tide of battle can still turn any way.
If your actions asure that your faction just cannot lose, then the judges are not needed.

@Cf
Trust me, Cf. This is a dangerous INF. Like Tolvo said, if you make the wrong decissions, Julia will die. It's all about thinking what you do and focusing on your actual objective, instead of just murdering everyone.

[Cfavano]

I know I know, stealth is key. I got it planned. there is a reason he called on his storm powers

[Tolvo]

I love it when people tell me I'm right. I'm stubborn when people tell me I'm wrong.

[Tolvo]

Now I remember there being mention that players can have their characters resurrected. Is there a story reason, or is it just kind of in the vein of it being a game mechanic so we don't lose characters unless we want to?

[E1Alpha]

Both, really.

The story reason lies in the power of the Soul Orbs of each faction, of which the entity housed in them will grant certain souls secondary chances.

But the main purpose for this, is to not make this roleplay as brutal as it would be ressurection wasn't present.
Ofcourse, those that I or any other GM do not deem worthy of a ressurection won't get it.
For example, a lightning-fast, armor clad powerhouse that just slaughters entire armies by himself, without any kind of proper resoning.
If those die, it's game over for them.

[Tolvo]

Lightning fast, powerful, army slayer, oh god. Don't kill off Papa Koi!

Alright makes sense, I always prefer more of a lore reason but a game is a game. And sometimes making things too realistic can just detract from the experience. Let's just hope Lestoph doesn't die any time soon.

[Eddren]

I wonder how that would work for Dezeroth.
Something tells me that since he doesn't have any Soul Orb power flowing through him currently, he'll be neglected. XP

[Cfavano]

Posted in my inf. How's that for stealth, boys? XD

[Tolvo]

I wouldn't exactly call that stealth, but it could kill the guards.

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Wait, didn't you miss the posting time allotted?

[Cfavano]

no, not until 6 in the evening

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how is it not stealth? if he lets them die, 2 more guards have died silently. and they STILL don't know where they are. that is attacking from stealth

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and E1 didn't post yet, so, I can still post

[Tolvo]

It's the 23rd isn't it? Wasn't E1's post from the 20th?

[Cfavano]

it's the 22

[Tolvo]

It looks like I need to adjust a few things, some of my devices say 22, others say 23.

[Cfavano]

and even if it wasn't, E1 still hadn't posted, meaning that I could still post. and I posted in my other battle too.

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So, chara death is not permanent? E1, if one of my charas dies or you allow third charas, may I use Julia? I mean, I DID write her, even if she wasn't specifically meant for me

[Tolvo]

Just a slight thing E1, you didn't mention what happened to the swordsman that Les was fighting, did the strike land, or am I in trouble?

[Tolvo]

Well I can see Lestoph is about to die, damnit. I liked that character too.

[E1Alpha]

@Cf
Normally, I'd say no, but seeing as you DID write her, you're free to do so if a character space opens up for you, on the condition you can succeed with your infiltration, ofcourse. Do realize that because of the rules, you won't be able to go with Zilong and Julia in the same battlefield.

@Tolvo
If I don't mention something, you may take advantage of it and say that your attack was succesful. It's my mistake if I don't reply to something, so you are free to take full advantage of it.
And honestly, I've posted so many things just now, that I don't even remember what I sent Lestoph's way xD

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Oh yeah, and on a sidenote:
While I do put a posting limit, if the limit is experied, but I havn't been able to post yet, your turn is not lost yet.
Why do I do this? Because I realize that sometimes someone can just post about an hour after the limit expires. This gives them somewhat of a possible grace period.

[The Imposter]

I'm slightly confused as to the Firanos Scaravus post E1. Did you state that the flash burst already or only implied what would happen if it did?

[Tolvo]

Well Lestoph still has the Swordsman to deal with, and as per how he is written he'll have to try and defeat Seron which won't happen. Eddren's character is there as well killing soldiers left and write while fireballs are reigning down. Sadly Lestoph will probably die in my next few posts, but eh he had a good run. At least I get to kill the Swordsman.

[Cfavano]

really, E1? -__- and here I thought it out even. well, it was only for a fraction of a second. so, it wouldn't be THAT harmful. It might be lethal, but it might not. what is the amperage/voltage of the electricity, and the current, ac or dc?

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as well, you said that revival is possible, so, even if she dies, she can be brought back, yes?

[Tolvo]

Didn't he say that was a mechanic for player characters?

[Cfavano]

she is a PC, just an inactive one

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for the sake of story in this INF, she is an NPC, but I alreay have it worked out so whether she lives or dies, I have a plan, but I would need E1's approval.

[Tolvo]

While you do that I'll write up a new character, Scarv did interest me with it's culture. I was considering Disgaren/Archeos, but both are on borders with Aereg and that would make battle choice a bit annoying.

[Cfavano]

what about firanos?

[Tolvo]

They just don't interest me. Plus it might be a bit weird considering they'll have killed my previous character.

[Cfavano]

I say it's Ironic XD

[Tolvo]

I don't know, if I make mistakes it might seem like I'm intentionally making them to cause the nation that killed my first char weaker. There is less of a chance of me subconsciously doing such things if I go with Scarv.

[E1Alpha]

@Imposter
I assumed what the result was going to be. If I misunderstood anything, do let me know and explain to me what exactly your attack was.
As far as I read it, you set a couple of Scaravian corpses ablaze, but that's all so far. If there anything else you had planned that would possibly interrupt Namar's action, you can go ahead and post that. No problem.
If there's still anything unclear, lemme know.

@Cf
I don't metagame, nor godmod, Cf. Just saying that in advance. The stormwarriors are soldiers surging with electrical energy, as you can read in their description. I would like to remind you that these stormwarriors are a class above the regular ones. In regards to the electrical surge, it will be enough to hurt, but not to leave permanent damage, unless if you're ofcourse severely weakened, which isn't the case yet. In case you didn't realize yet, I WILL be brutal when it comes to INFs. If you'd ask me, aside from the Final battles, they will be the most difficult.
Also, I don't know if it was intentional, but your last comment towards me seemed rather disrespectful. It almost seemed as if you were angered with me before I had even explained anything. I would appreciate if that didn't happen.
Also, should Julia die in this INF, which I actualy doubt, she will not be revived via the normal way, but don't worry. If you really want to play her afterwards, I'm sure we can work out something. Although it would be the safest to get her out of there alive.

@Tolvo
It's not really strange to change to the faction that killed you. It's actualy a logical choice, as you'd be going for the in your eyes superior faction.
Anyways, a little hint: I'm not going to kill your character unless you give me a chance too.

[Tolvo]

There is no feasable way Lestoph will survive this. Even if Seron and Eddren's character don't kill him, he'll end up unsconscious in a battlefield full of flames and reigning down fireballs. After Eddren's post I realized he was dead, but eh. I made my bed I'll have to sleep in it I guess. I'll just have to make my next character more powerful to reflect how the world is, I made him too underpowered considering the characters in this.

[E1Alpha]

Not necessarily underpowered.
It's all about the strategy you're going to imply. Sometimes, there's no way for you to escape death either, by actions that weren't under your control, which is why you have the option to revive your character.
In any case. I'm not gonna reply to Lake Ilnero just yet. I first want my inspiration back up to scale again.

[Tolvo]

Considering he is a former Disgaren, they have no reason to revive him. So I can't really do that. But hey, at least I might be able to kill Seron before Lestoph dies.

[E1Alpha]

Well, if you kill Seron, that would actually give them reason to revive you. Why?

Well, look at what happened to Jacogos' character when he succesfully killed Avertus.

[Tolvo]

He wouldn't directly kill him, so they'd have no reason to really consider him a hero. With the conditions of the battlefield they'd more than likely not even realize his presence. Not to mention it wouldn't prove alleigance to Leongarde, just that he is against Fier. Which Disgeran is, so it really doesn't say anything about his character other than that perhaps he was a bit suicidal. In which case why revive a suicidal person? Sad to say but with how he his character sheet was written he was doomed to die off early on. I'll just have to make the next one a bit less detailed.

[The Imposter]

whoops I meant flask not flesh E1. I'm confused if your post says it burst or are you only implying what could happen?

[Cfavano]

I did not intend to be disrespectful, to show my loyalty to you, and to make up for it, I shall perform the rite of seppuku

[Tolvo]

Hmm, I might try an Inf only character.

[Cfavano]

like a darkwraith? XD

[Tolvo]

Actually that might not be a good idea, most assassin die even if they kill their target. Hum.

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How is a Darkwraith like an assassin?

[SillyGodDisco]

Man E1, you really must be a friend of the horses...

Papa Koi must survive! I wont give up on him!

[E1Alpha]

@Cf
Apologies accepted... I think? *shrugs and tosses a steel pancake*

@Imposter
Ah! What I said is what would happen if your character was not going to move or so. So I'm implying what could happen.

[Tolvo]

Well I'm going to try to help him out after Jac posts, but Papa Koi might be dead as well. If the arrow can pass through fish, I'm not sure if I can do anything to stop it.

[E1Alpha]

@Silly
Oh no, that's not the reason xD
It's just that those arrows aren't as easily stopped by fish as regular arrows.

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Just consider well what the arrow actually is, and I'm sure you'll think of a way to stop it. Either that, or it's a skewered Papa Koi xD
And here P.K. was worried she was going to lose because she was the only one on the Archeon side. But as I'm looking at things now, I just realized that it seemed like Archeos is in the lead.

[Tolvo]

Well hey if he dies, you could always join Scarav Silly.

[Tolvo]

Indeed Archeos is in the lead, Kaizen is alone, Papa is in trouble, and Oko isn't designed for Frontline combat.

I was curious are we allowed to reserve a character for the future? Since he's going to die, I was just curious if I could post my character for Chapter 3 in Warriors.

[Cfavano]

Well, isn't the whole point of a Darkwraith to invade and kill?

[Tolvo]

No, that would be a Darkmoon Blade. We should probably keep the Dark Souls talk to the Nonsense thread though.

[Cfavano]

but isn't this talking about a chara you will make, and therefore relevant to the RP?

[Tolvo]

It's talking about the lore of Dark Souls, so no not really. In either case I think I will be taking more of a caster route with this character.

[Cfavano]

blech, too many casters. what we need is a rogue or an axe-toting barbarian

[Tolvo]

That's exactly why I'm making a caster, anything else seems like it would pretty much die. Though with Zhao containing the main elements and Dez being so vague, I'm going to have to work to have unique spells.

[Cfavano]

what about a pyromancer? or a fey/infernal/star pact warlock? or a conjurer? or the equivalent of a Sith Sorcerer?

[Tolvo]

Cf, I don't want to rip things off.

[Tolvo]

Ah why didin't I think of it before, an anti-caster.

[Tolvo]

Nevermind, each caster is also a melee combatant so that wouldn't work. I guess I'll just stick with Oko then since I can't come up with a useful character that doesn't have already existing powers.

[Cfavano]

well, Zilong isn't really good at it, just he has a bunch of close blast and burst powers

[Tolvo]

"Fan of the four winds: This magically crafted fan heightens Zhao's Magical weather-based powers, as well as when swung, it creates a short-range gust of damaging wind, and while the feathers are razor sharp, it is a light and flimsy weapon, which, on a melee hit, can wound flesh, but not through armor.

Zephyr boots: These magical boots allow him to move his body at the speed of the wind. (i.e. fast) for short bursts.

Robes of the atmosphere: These magical robes allow him to become highly resistant to natural inclement weather, and Ice, Water, Lightning, and Wind magic, as well as making him immune to his own weather changes. (the damage and any other effects)"

That sounds like a serious melee threat to me. I'd have to make it an Anti-Caster also covered in heavy armor that is enchanted to be resistance to magic attacks. At that point the character basically is basically unkillable which would be ridiculous.

[Cfavano]

what about a necromancer? or some sort of shaman or druid?

[Tolvo]

In regards to Shaman, I don't think that being so involved with spirits is a good idea considering the existence of the Soul Orbs. A necromancer sounds more like Disgaren. And a druid doesn't sound like it fits in with any of the cultures. Anything Arcane is out of the picture because of Dez, and elements aren't an option. Physical characters will just die for lacking true power, casters are abound and have every base covered that is practical. I think there just might not be any room for new characters.

[Eddren]

Just so you know, Tolvo, I'm the LEAST dangerous player you'll ever face. I DON'T kill NPCs, I might knock them out, but I don't kill them, I treat them as if they have magical armor even if they're wearing regular stuff, and if I DO beat them, there's actually a chance they might convince a character of good alignment to switch over to their side, or vise-versa.

[Tolvo]

He's been killing enemies left and right with the efficiency of Legolas, why would he suddenly stop doing so at Lestoph? There is still Seron anyway, the other soldiers, and the fireballs reigning down. Even if you don't kill Lestoph, there are still three more major deadly factors. Then there is the consideration of Lestoph killing himself to save Mordus. He's dead Eddren.

[Eddren]

Why would he stop?
Because Leongard's units aren't magical in any sort of shape or form, and because they aren't as uniquely skilled as a PC. You'll recall that, when faced against skilled NPCs, such as the Shieldguard, he did NOT have the efficiency of Legolas.

[Tolvo]

Lestoph is only about as dangerous as two men. So I don't see how that would really stop him considering two men were nothing to him prior. No matter how well written a post I make can be, if fire is just sprayed at him he'll die. If he negates the fire he'll be unconscious, then die. I am starting to side with Jac in that I made this character far too underpowered, I should have probably removed the pain limitation.

[Eddren]

Well, remove the BASE pain limitation, keep in the pain healer for that other spell. That way, you can at least keep it as a viable attack.
But yes, please do. Once you do that, then we can actually have a good fight, and I won't feel bad if I win.

[Tolvo]

Well I'm not going to create a new character with just the same abilities, that template is scrapped now and won't be reused. You know how I operate, I only use one type of character once.

I'll have to probably give them some sort of magic cancellation, armor, high mobility, and remove the backstory and make the personality minimalist so that they can't just be killed off by situation.

[Eddren]

How 'bout magic Cancellation and a bow?

[Tolvo]

We already have a bow user, so I can't make a bow using character.

[Eddren]

Yeah, but she's more of a healer.
Could always do it swashbuckler style.
THERE you go! Make a pirate!

[Tolvo]

Aw, but I absolutely hate pirates. Also Jac's character already uses a rapier so being a swashbuckler is out the window.

Not to mention a naval based character would be useless considering there are no naval battles, and that if there were the waters are inhabited with creatures that would just kill him.

[Tolvo]

As well water based spells or abilities wouldn't work either, since Zhao and Dez already have them.

[E1Alpha]

Tolvo, trust me when I say I'm with you on the fact I don't like going for things other people already have made in RP. Which is partly a reason RoW came to be.
In any case: You're taking it a notch too far. Sure, we already have a bow user. But what difference does that make?
If I might remind you, an archer can have different ways to work. Long ranged shots, short range quick fire, enchanted arrows, ...
Perhaps Lestoph can't survive in here, but however, it seems most here seem to forget something.
There's more than one person in your faction.

Of all the PCs in RoW at the moment, I think P.K.'s Karrha has proved to be the most underpowered. She's a healer, but she does carry a bow. However, that bow got snapped in the battle for the Ilean Mountains, but instead of being like "Yeah, I'm dead". She actually co-operated with the NPCs around her.
Sure, Lestoph may be an ex-disgeran, but right now, he's in Leongardian armor. This brings two things about: The soldiers he's fighting with now ARE his comrades, and on first sight, who would even possible think about what your heritage is if you're running around with the Leongardian crest.

It's your choice if you want to drop Lestoph and make a new character, but I think you're giving up way too soon.

Also, in regards to your question if you can reserve a character: Just keep it in a Word file on your computer.
You can always send it to me when the time comes.

[Tolvo]

Yeah but those soldiers around him are being slaughtered effortlessly, so what use are they really?

And I don't want to drop Lestoph, I quite like his personality and story. It just seems he would utterly perish in the situation, as well I can't think of a logical story reason for him to be resurrected over any of the other countless soldiers especially considering his background.

[Eddren]

Just ASK for help.
I assure you, E1 will give you the proper help. He won't be all like, 'Oh. Right. Well, here are some useless meat-shields. Watch them die.'
He'll likely be more like, 'Well, in that case, here's some Shield-Guard. And in case he gets past THOSE guys, here's some archers.

[Tolvo]

They'd just be shieldguards or archers still, I'd probably need one of the Lion hybrids, and even then Lestoph would just be dead weight.

[Eddren]

XP
The ONLY reason that Brev made any headway against the Shieldguard was because he asked for help.
And SERON came to his rescue.

[Tolvo]

They really didn't seem to be bothering him before, especially considering his abilities I don't really see what benefit they would be.

[Eddren]

Allow me to quote the post E1 made in regard to his attempts to kill them without Seron's help.
'Although Brevsin made an excellent defense, the soldiers on each side of him constantly attacked, looking for an attempt to get past his guard and deliver a fatal attack.'
Or something to that tune. I.E., he wasn't holding up very well. That's why he asked for help.

[Tolvo]

Why would his guard matter? He can fly. Maybe archers would be useful, but with those streams of fire that are powerful enough to propel him, they would incinerate the arrows, and probably armor.

[Eddren]

They CAN incinerate arrows, but if he does that, he'd not going to be able to land very well, now is he? Or go on the offensive.

[Tolvo]

I don't see how it would negatively effect him as long as he is in the air. If the arrows are coming from the direction of the enemy, the fire would go the same way either way.

Plus the archers are doing their best to not aim near Seron and Mordus, so they wouldn't really be firing there.

[E1Alpha]

Edd, I think we're fighting a lost cause here.

Tolvo, I stay by my point.

I am just waiting to see those few players with enough guts to ask for help from either other players or NPCs.
They aren't mindless meatshields that are just there to be killed... With the exception of the Disgeran Heretics.
They are there as a strategic asset, and like any strategic asset, they are useless unless you make good use of them.
This is what most of the commanders do, and what some of the players here have already learned to do.
You say that they're just soldiers being slaughtered? Wrong. They are equals fighting equals from Firanos.
Do not even think about seeing my NPCs as just some idiots being killed in the spot.
I can tell you, and there might even already be some proof of it, that player characters that actually just see the NPCs around them as worthless meatbags that are in the way are going to have a much harder time to deal with me.

... I just realized that's a general tip I'm giving. I'm being a way too helpful GM. xD

[Eddren]

Unless they were angled separately, so that their arrows wouldn't be flying at the commanders.

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Well, if a player kills too many normal NPCs, they seem to begin facing somewhat larger foes until finally they're fighting the NPCs to a point where they need assistance. XP

[E1Alpha]

Well, if a player kills too many normal NPCs, they seem to begin facing somewhat larger foes until finally they're fighting the NPCs to a point where they need assistance. XP

We've got a winner here.
And trust me, I am making those larger foes a PAIN in the ass for those people.

[Tolvo]

But that all seems contradictory to what I've seen already. Edd's character is slaughtering them like they are nothing. Considering that they seem to be on equal grounds with the enemy, and that Lestoph has difficulty fighting two normal soldiers at a time, Edd's character should be able to kill Les in seconds without much problem.

I'm just basing this off of how the posting has been so far. I'm not opposed to working with others, but when combined if it looks like there is no hope why try and combine efforts? I'm fine with working with allies if I have any but currently Mordus is the only designated one I see, and Seron seemingly has the upper hand with Edd's character there. Edd's character being far too powerful for Les to face without support which there doesn't seem to be any support.

[E1Alpha]

Look again then, because I just posted

Also, I am aware that Edd's char has been killing off my precious NPCs.
Now I would like to refer to what I said earlier.

If players make it seem that I'm not giving them enough of a challenge, then I'll continue ramping up the difficulty till they get a REAL challenge.

[Tolvo]

Alright, now that I see it first hand I can see the balance, I just assumed from how you were talking that you expected me to face Edd's character and Seron by myself.

The issue though is using those troops, since Les' powers don't really work too well with the tactics. But I suppose first I'll have to see what Edd does.

[Eddren]

Well, here. I'll give you a small idea.
First thing's first: I don't expect you to want to change your character, or even change it now, but do ask E1 about letting you reduce the pain limiter. It kind of makes you less of a team player if you pass out after reducing the pain of one soldier just once.
But how 'bout you use the soldiers as an opportunity to sneak up on Brev? It's not like he's omnipotent. If you grab him from behind, you can transfer any pain he gives to you right on back. And then do it again, just via the effect of the spell.
Hm. Why I'm giving tips on exploiting the strengths of my foes, I don't understand.

[Tolvo]

Doesn't he have fire coming out of his back that would incinerate armor? As well Lestoph shouted and announced his position to make himself be the distraction. Within his character, giving up his own well being for the sake of others. The issue with removing the pain limitation is in some of his powers would be so powerful. Like his negate magic. Imagine if suddenly Brev is stuck facing the shield guard without his fire magic for a brief moment.

As well if anything, he'd grab Brev and stun him for an entire turn. Which I think would prove a lot more fatal with nearby Leongarde soldiers than you would want. If he somehow managed to even grab him with his position already given away against a man that can fly. It's too bad I didn't list the black gas as explosive, that would come in real handy.

[Eddren]

It's not really magic, it's...Well. Let's just say that's the remnants of his internal organs. I wasn't really going to announce that until the battle had either been won or lost, and he visited the healers, but I guess I'll just say it now: Currently, his kidney's deteriorating oh so slowly. It's just that there's a lot of energy stored in ones' own body.

As for flying, he doesn't really do that much. He launches into the air occasionally, but he isn't, like, 100% iron-man style.

[Tolvo]

Alright, Lestoph's position doesn't sound like it is as bad as it was before. Now if I can just post through the painkillers.

[Tolvo]

Yeah I think I'm a bit too messed up to come up with the posts. It figures my turn, and I happen to have taken a pill. *doh*

[Cfavano]

i'm sure they'll wait for the drugs to wear off. and there's an Idea, why don't you give Les some sort of magical painkillers he can use a limited amount of times during the battle?

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i'm sure they'll wait for the drugs to wear off. and there's an Idea, why don't you give Les some sort of magical painkillers he can use a limited amount of times during the battle?

[Jacogos]

I am just waiting to see those few players with enough guts to ask for help from either other players or NPCs.
They aren't mindless meatshields that are just there to be killed... With the exception of the Disgeran Heretics.
They are there as a strategic asset, and like any strategic asset, they are useless unless you make good use of them.

Sadly, Verminathras would never stoop to calling for help... Poor guy is gonna get moidered... xD


If players make it seem that I'm not giving them enough of a challenge, then I'll continue ramping up the difficulty till they get a REAL challenge.

And this is WHY he's gonna get moidered xD

[Cfavano]

well, physical weapons don't seem to affect him, and he can make arrows turn to dust. he seems pretty near invincible, is he like Spawn? XD

[Jacogos]

well, physical weapons don't seem to affect him, and he can make arrows turn to dust. he seems pretty near invincible, is he like Spawn? XD

Well, they affect him, they just don't cause him pain xD He can still lose limbs and such.

And the arrows to dust thing is definitely only while he has the aura of decay around him... While he is powerful, foresight has a large part in that play.

So no, no similarities to Spawn xD

[Cfavano]

really? sounds very similar, to an extent. would he die if his head was cut off?

[Jacogos]

Just like anyone else would lol.

[Eddren]

Aw, man. Really?
Now I'm really glad you made those doorways all odd-shaped and stuff. XP We have lil' hiding-spots!

[Jacogos]

Aw, man. Really?
Now I'm really glad you made those doorways all odd-shaped and stuff. XP We have lil' hiding-spots!

Okay I'm gonna be brutally honest xD

The way I had originally set up the room, there was no odd-shaped doors. However, E1's map maker doesn't allow that (and still have the doors be obvious) so in order to have them be obvious, they were made to look like that xD Not gonna correct you though, cause it doesn't really matter either way.

[Eddren]

But still. That sounds like a Golem Master dude. Or at least a Golem.
You know, having just had that second thought, I have this sinking feeling that an assassin is going to be wholly inadequate.

[Jacogos]

Not if you use him right xD (such as live bait...)

[Eddren]

Oh, yeah, because with a wounded guy on the ground and the Mage collapsed right next to him, putting him in danger as live bait is going to be the best option.

[Cfavano]

actually, technically, Mildred would still be alive. the host would die, yes, but tyrfing would still remain.

[Jacogos]

@Eddren I was being facetious, bud xD

[Cfavano]

I know.

[Jacogos]

*cough* (edited)

[Cfavano]

ah

[Eddren]

There. Maybe that'll be a bit better. After all, Dez might be able to fight the Golems on some level.

[P.K.]

I'm very behind. I'm going to look at my battle see where I am...

[Tolvo]

The shield wall is surrounding Seron, Mordus, and Brev right? Or is it just Brev?

[E1Alpha]

It is not surrounding anyone. It's in a linear formation, pushing forwards into the Fieran ranks, like a bulldozer.

[Tolvo]

But didn't Seron charge through our ranks to get to Mordus, meaning he would be behind the wall? I though Brev rocketed over our soldiers as well and was now behind our lines.

[Eddren]

To say he rocketed over them would be a bit of misinformation.
He rocketed through them.

[Tolvo]

Did the Leongarde frontline get totally decimated then so now the second line is coming forwards to try and regain ground?

[Eddren]

I dunno if it was decimated. It might simply be that that's a single hole in the Leongarde line, and that Fieran reinforcements are coming in from behind them.

[Tolvo]

So the Shieldguards are trying to plug the hole then?

[Eddren]

Perhaps. We haven't really gotten a post showing us what's going on everywhere else, so I couldn't tell you for sure.

[Tolvo]

That would probably leave Lestoph in front of the Shieldwall, which sounds pretty bad. Well at least there is nothing between him and Seron then.

[Tolvo]

Let's hope this kills Seron, I imagine it won't but it would still be nice.

[SillyGodDisco]

Well guys, it's been fun. I had to stay in Papa Koi's idiotic character. But hopefully he gets some last words to Oko if the arrow hits him anyway.

I'll be here for chapter 3 if I'm dead, with a little more serious of a character. But I hope I entertained ^.^

[P.K.]

you did awesome :P you should bring him back if he dies XD
maybe Oo

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you did awesome :P you should bring him back if he dies XD
maybe Oo

[Tolvo]

We'll definitely need to work on making more powerful characters next time Matt, by the way skype?

While the arrow will pierce the armored knight it still might not strike a vital point on Papa.

[Jacogos]

I can imagine Papa's still in this, Disco, a one-shot kill would be KINDA outrageous from the distance he was shot from, even if it is a magical arrow xD

[Tolvo]

It burned through a fish, meaning if it hit him pretty much anywhere it would kill him, or cause severe damage that would kill him over time. As well with how hot that it is it would burn straight through metal. That's why I didn't have Oko trying to block it with the shield or throw the shield.

[Cfavano]

what if it used it's energy on that one hit, and it reverts to a normal, albeit glowing, arrow?

[Jacogos]

Actually, it did not 'burn through the fish' if you read E1's post. It's pure Light magic, not Fire magic, and though that would cause a burning sensation on something as pure evil as Disgeran or Ekro forces, for Koi it might only be similar to being hit by a steel lance... Might.

And CF, the arrow itself is made of Light, there is no enhancement to a plain arrow bolt.

[Tolvo]

If it's pure light, would it just pass through the armor still anyway and likely kill Koi?

[E1Alpha]

... Okay

Tolvo

I am going to slap you with a frying pan

After all your complaining about Les, when I saw you pull that move on launching that attack on Seron, I was thinking on how I could make him avoid it. While in truth, he couldn't.

Your "underpowered" character might have just tipped the balance of this battle in favor of Leongarde.

[Tolvo]

I was actually expecting you to have Seron spot it and throw Mordus in the way, making me accidentally cause the death of Mordus.

Frankly I'm surprised it worked.

[Cfavano]

or maybe, once it passes through koi, it would be like a cauterizing effect. and that's how max thinks. he's a ringer in truth

[P.K.]

Wow I missed something.

And I posted.

[Tolvo]

PK you've been typing that up in a word document for a while haven't you? Holy hell that is going to take time to get through.

[Jacogos]

I am going to slap you with a frying pan.

What happened to the chainsaw? D:

[P.K.]

um actuly.... I was typing that in my notepad to be honest. Its not realy even a page I promise O///O

[E1Alpha]

The chainsaw is only kept for special occassions, Jaccy.
Also, now that it's my turn to post: Thanks for playing right into my plans with Kaizan.
I was hoping you were going to get trapped by Nayamee, and you'll soon discover why.

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Also, Tolvo

Seron and Mordus were forced to be too focused on eachother to see a surprise attack like that coming. There was no way Seron could have seen it coming unless it was a twenty foot high, shadow infused boulder rolling his way.

[Tolvo]

That's what I was worried about, and why I tried to warn the general. But I doubt he could discern anything Oko said with the chaos around him.

[Cfavano]

don't you dare to anything to my precious Nayamee XD

[P.K.]

lust or love? :P

[Tolvo]

Well sadly now I know I'll never get away with that battle trick again. As well I still have those fire magi to worry about with their artillery strike.

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PK, it's his student...Obviously lust.

[P.K.]

Nayamee is his student...?
I'm so lost.... so ...lost.

[Tolvo]

Oh nevermind, I thought he said the name of Zhao's student.

[E1Alpha]

Well, Kaizan's actions in Paladin Grove have left impressions on Verin and Samara. And if they live long enough, that will lead to some interesting stories on my end. Trust me.

[Tolvo]

I'm glad I decided to grab that heater shield, I had a feeling just carrying Papa back wouldn't be so easy.

[P.K.]

I think I'm not lost anymore....
anyways :P E I'm waiting your post. Shani's going to die but so far she's doing pretty good and I'm having more fun with her then I did Karrha!

[Cfavano]

actually, she lusts for him, but he does not return those feelings. Julia, that is.

[Tolvo]

Actually if Oko can reach her, she may not die. If he can somehow reach her that is.

You wrote your young apprentice to lust for your character? Isn't that a bit, creepy?

[P.K.]

Actually if Oko can reach her, she may not die. If he can somehow reach her that is.

Oo this should be very interesting. but we shall see :P I still think she is going to die <.<


You wrote your young apprentice to lust for your character? Isn't that a bit, creepy?

very....

[E1Alpha]

Nah, it just proves Cf's ego

I keed, Cf <3

There's a reason I left Julia unconscious in her cage, though. As you wrote the character, I'd rather have you RP her out when/if they get to free her.

[Cfavano]

not at all. she IS over 18

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I figured she'd still be out cold. and why she was unconscious was because that guy is a sadistic bastard. but I do see the other reason, kinda. so she can't talk or be played as.

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well, it does feel good to have a groupie

[Tolvo]

Yeah but that's like a 22 year age difference, as well he's a person who goes into battle often in a world where hygiene probably isn't all that advanced. Yuck.

[Jacogos]

Ahh Samara.... I had actually thought about using her as a clever way to get out of that trap, seeing as how you moved her out of the battle like that... Good to know we're both on the same wavelength, E1 xD

[P.K.]

that was epic XD

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that was epic XD

[E1Alpha]

Oh I had this planned out all along, Jaccy.

In all honesty, you would have ended up in much worse shape had you not been trapped by Nayamee xD

[Eddren]

Alright, E1, lay on the punishment for Brevsin's brash movements. XP
Brevsin--Leaves the battle missing both his arms, a leg, and his right kneecap.
Leph--Mostly unscathed, managed to kill Seron.

[P.K.]

XD ahahahah!

Now how to get Shani to live a wee bit longer >:3 I gotta use everything she has now...

[Tolvo]

Now if I manage to get Papa Koi away, then I have to think of a way to possibly help Jac's charcter which just seems, out of my hands. Then there is the whole trying to help the general thing. Man Oko has his hands full, why did you people leave the army behind. -9angry-

[P.K.]

wow stupid duble posting....

[Tolvo]

I don't know about that Eddren, now I have to try and help Mordus still. Lestoph isn't out of the kitchen just yet. There's still a frying pan flying at his face.

[E1Alpha]

Now if I manage to get Papa Koi away, then I have to think of a way to possibly help Jac's charcter which just seems, out of my hands. Then there is the whole trying to help the general thing. Man Oko has his hands full, why did you people leave the army behind. -9angry-

I was smirking so much when I read this comment.
Tolvo understands what I TRULY punish: Recklessness

[Cfavano]

actually, Zilong usually bathes daily.

[Tolvo]

Well that was why I designed Oko like that, his abilities work really well when he has people supporting him as he supports them in turn. It's a bit hard for him to help people without twenty other dudes there doing most of the work for him.

[Cfavano]

yeah, even when Zilong performed his daring flanking maneuver, and his attack from the cliffs, he made sure to bring along a large group of men.