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    I don't think Disney has changed much as far as having messages or being political. They always have been for the time they were made in. They cater to what the ideal is for the time period. I think indoctrinate is a big word, especially since children don't really understand political motives. They just understand it's a fairy tale, and it's one of my pet peevs when people make more out of when it comes to children than it actually is.

    I guess if putting gay characters in makes them liberal then I suppose they are? But this generation is very open to homosexuality liberals and conservatives alike, and so therefore it would be in the newer movies. So basically, I'm not sure they are becoming more political, they are just keeping up with the generations.


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    yes, but do characters NEED to be gay?

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    Do they NEED to be straight?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Cfavano View Post
    yes, but do characters NEED to be gay?
    Yes and No.

    I always think who the character is and who they identify as. Or who they are identified as. Has everything to do with intent, imo.

    Imo, when you make the new Iron Man, a black 15 year old girl prodigy, who managed to make herself an Iron Man suit of some sort. I do not see that intent as genuine. I see it as trying to complete an agenda.

    But when the story intends for a character to be of a certain minority to serve the purpose of the story in some genuine way that doesn't do it because "we need more diversity." Than it isn't an agenda.

    For example Precious, is not an agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by .Karma. View Post
    Do they NEED to be straight?
    if that's what the original sexuality was and the story is not objectively improved by changing it, and if no discernable reason is 'the times have changed' they why not make other characters gay?

    Like Mickey Mouse, make him gay, and Donald Duck, make him gay too, and make Mickey and Donald a couple. Just, retcon Minnie and Daisy, who cares about canon anymore.

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    Exactly.

    When making a story. The intent should never be "we need more diversity" or "what diversity can we add".

    The ironic thing is the question could then imply with white people.

    We could take a movie like Moana, there were no white people represented in that story. Should we have added a white person on the island to be more diverse?

    What about the disabled tribe people, do we need them to be more diverse?

    Should we also add a gay couple because there were none?

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    To use a personal example.

    I have played Gay Characters, Straight Characters, Bi, Pan, Cis and trans.

    but not because 'they need to be so, because the times.'

    I did so as just part of them. I would not make one of my straight charcters gay because 'diversity' because then that's just pandering and that is offensive.

    And, s an even MORE personal note, I have Autism, Asperger's Syndrome. I struggle with it every day.

    But should a character have it as well? No, I do not wish it on anyone. If a characters has it, it shouldn't be given to them 'just 'cause'' It should just be part of their character, it should not be given focus. and shouldn't just be tossed in.

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    If the sexuality is never mentioned. I don't think it matters. If they want to have Minnie and Daisy be togethr then that's cool with me

    The sexuality isn't mentioned much in kids movies because it doesnt matter. Kids don't care unless someone wants them to. So really if they had Minnie and Daisy decide they want to be together it wouldn't matter to me at all, personally.

    Either way. That's just my take on it. I'll let you guys discuss more.


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    I think the problem is why was it being mentioned. Scar is not sexualized character, he's just a villain, he shouldn't HAVE a sexuality. We should see him only as he is, a bad guy.

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    Scar could be made so much deeper than that tho. He doesn't always have to be defined as an archetypal bad guy.

    I agree, making Simba gay is kind of unfair because he has a romance with Nala and everything, and there's even a rather nice song about it.

    Scar is totally fair game though, I think that would be a fun and interesting idea to explore.

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